Good day, Pokémon Trainers! In a rather surprising turn of events, I’ll be the one giving the PvP analysis of Cyndaquil, the star of this month’s community day classic. It’s a job I’m more than happy to take on. As mentioned before, Cyndaquil is one of my favorite Pokémon.
However, personal bias cuts it in PvP. Thus, Typhlosion and his newly acquired move, Thunder PunchAlong with C day action Blast Burn, influence? Or is it better to spend this community day ignoring Typhlosion’s PvP potential? To find out, let’s be lightning fast as we jump right in Bottom Line Ahead.
BLUFFS
- As in all Fire type starts, takes Typhlosion Blast Burn For Community Day. This is nothing new for Typhlosion, as this is the move he made in the previous Community Day. As the past has shown, it wasn’t enough for Typhlosion to be a favorite Pokémon for PvP.
- What has changed since then is that Typhlosion gains access to a charged attack Thunder Punch. It’s both a reliable bait move and a Typhlosion move you need to get decent coverage.
- So now with both Blast Burn and Thunder Punch, Typhlosia is actually quite decent. If you don’t already have a Typhlosion with Blast Burn in stock, this is a great time to pick one up.
- However, I’d say Typhlosion is still a bit of a spice choice. It is still very fragile and Thunder PunchWhile it’s the right move for Typhlosion, it could still use a buff.
Typhoid Statistics and Movements
Typhlosia
Fire
Major League Stats
Ultra League Statistics
Master League Statistics
That’s what immediately jumps out with Typhlosion that Attack statistics. Especially compared to the two most popular ones Fire In Major League and Ultra League, species in Skeledirge and Talonflame. In fact, Typhlosion is a full 10 points ahead (actually a bit more) compared to the two in Attack. Instead, it’s closer to Charizard in that respect.
But of course, those insane offensive stats come at a cost. And this cost is its low mass. Not particularly noteworthy in terms of defense or HP. Especially in the HP department. In fact, Typhlosion is completely 1:1 with Charizard in terms of stats. So if you’ve used Charizard, especially in the Big League, you know how glassy it is to use. However, it is a little more reliable in the Ultra League.
This brings us to the Typhlosion species. It’s a fun fact that all 3 of the Johto starters are monotypes, even when fully evolved. That is, Typhlosion is pure, mono Fire Type Pokémon. Which resists SteelIcegrassFireFairy and Bug. It is very respectful. But it is weak Placethe rock and…Water. Oh no. Place bad enough as it is. But you definitely don’t want to be particularly weak Water species in recent metas. Considering it’s like the most dominant type. Thankfully, that’s where the other side of the equation, the moves, come into play.
QUICK ATTACKS
- burn – Fire type, 4.8 DPT, 4.0 EPT, 5 Loops
- Shadow Claw – Nightmare type, 3.0 DPT, 4.0 EPT, 2 Spins
- Ember – Fire type, 4.2 DPT, 3.0 EPT, 2 Turns
So let’s quickly get one of these three moves out of the way. Ember. While not a bad move, it’s worse than the other options. And while mounting losses, Typhlosion can’t get any unique wins. So the competition is between burn and Shadow Claw.
However, in terms of pure stats, Incinerate is still objectively better. With equal energy production per turn, not only do you have more damage, but you also gain a STAB advantage. This means that burn Due to sharing time with Typhlosion, it deals more damage. However, there is still work to be done Shadow Claw.
For starters, it’s easier to play with since it’s a two-turn move (and harder to play with an opponent). Unlike the very slow five turns burn. Not only that, Shadow Claw weakens matchups against Pokémon Nightmare a little better. This means you beat Cresselia a little cleaner and actually beat Sableye. However, in my opinion, Incinerate still wins in the end. Especially thanks to the synergy:
ATTACHED ATTACKS
- Blast Burnᴱ – Fire type, 132 damage, 50 energy
- Thunder Punch – Electricity type, 55 damage, 40 energy
- Sunbeam – grass type, 150 damage, 80 energy
- Excessive fever – Fire type, 156 damage, 55 energy, 100% chance: Reduce Self Defense -2 Phase
- Fire Blast – Fire type, 168 damage, 80 energy
This is a pretty healthy choice of heavy hitting Fire Typhlosion has a type of charged attacks. But let’s be real here. There is a reason for the fire-type beginnings, Blast Burn is an essential part of their tool kit. The damage output per energy is second to none! Fire Blast it just has a very high energy demand. Not highly recommended for squishy Pokémon like Typhlosion. And Excessive fever comes with a double debuff. This means you need to disable or disable Typhlosion. You should really go with the Community Day move for Typhlosion.
Which brings us to the real decision point Thunder Punch and Sunbeam. After all, Sunbeam Typhlosion is what worked before Thunder Punch. So there must still be some benefits to it, right? Well, sort of. When the shields come down, Sunbeam can spawn two large Pokémon, Azumarill and Lickitung. And in a scenario where you have 1 shield and your opponent has none, you can also take out mudbois, Quagsire, and Whiscash.
But that’s pretty much where the benefits end. Again, Sunbeam it just takes a lot of energy for the weak Typhlosion. It won’t stay in the field long enough to use it properly. So that, Thunder Punch even better in protective scenarios. Although you have both the shield advantage and the energy advantage in one miracle moment Sunbeam can perform better, such a lucky scenario is rare.
Big League
So we have more ideas about the ideal kit for Typhlosion. But what can he do with it? Well, just by looking at the results PVPoke should show us, Thunder Punch and Blast Burn wins in every equal guard scenario. And interestingly, Storage burn and Blast Burn but moving Thunder Punch with other charged attacks has the same results. “But what are these results?” You might be thinking to yourself.
Against the meta we get in 0-0 shields and 1-1 shield scenarios 38.1% win and 61.9 % loss. Not impressive, but not the worst either. At 2-2 we see a perfect 50-50 win-loss split. This only gets better with Shadow Typhlosion. Expected for a Pokemon with attack weight. Here at 1-1 we have a more reasonable 45.2% win rate. Improvements can also be seen in a 40.5% win rate in a 0-0 scenario. Although the 2-2 scenario win rates actually dropped slightly 47.6% win rate.
Despite this, Shadow Typhlosion definitely performs better and more consistently. Now, I think it’s worth noting that you usually don’t want to run Typhlosion even on shields. Typhlosion is dominant even with only 1 shield advantage. We are looking at 70-80% wins. Regular and Shadow seem to be equal in terms of win rates with a shield advantage.
But until now I was just throwing numbers at you. Who is this Pokemon that Typhlosion beats? Are they with us now? Well, it’s the first thing that comes to mind Steel and Ice types. Especially the horror of the sky, Skarmory. Ohh boy Skarmory. The bane of my existence as a lover Fairy types. Typhlosion destroys Skarmory with every move!
But I’m getting ahead of myself. Of course, Typhlosion can beat things with some sort of advantage as a meta grass and Bug species, in addition to the species mentioned above, but also most of them Fairy types. What makes Typhlosion truly respectable is that it even defeats the very large Cresselia on shields and two popular water types in Feraligatr and Mantine. Mantine is not working Water Pulse of course. So that Thunder Punch it really helps. Typhlosion even comes close to defeating Gligar. And these successes become even more impressive with the advantage of the shield. Now the big beat Dark Add species like Umbreon, Guzzlord, and Mandibuzz, and a few more Water Mixed types like Dewgong.
Ultra League
Since most of what has been said so far also applies to the Ultra League, let’s keep it short. Might be better in Ultra League except for Typhlosion. It has more mass and more targets. This meta has more than just Cresselia Steel Types are more regularly used in Registeel, Steelix, and Cobalion. Shadow Typhlosion can even defeat Walrei.
But of course you have to remember that this is also a meta where Swampert, Tapu Fini, Giratina (Changed) and Tapu Fini run for free and often. All Pokémon that Typhlosion does not want to see too much.
Master League
Are we talking about using a Pokemon with a max stat of just above 5000 in a meta with a Pokémon with stats above 10000? Simple advice: DON’T.
The result
And go! Typhlosion is a weak but powerful Pokémon that now has a lot of potential Thunder Punch Together with the Community Day movement Blast Burn. In fact, being dominant prevents it from being the best meta Pokémon for the leagues it does well. Water Type Pokémon. With a significant meta shakeup or buff Thunder Punch Typhlosia can be really good. But it’s still a decent Pokemon that needs to be maneuvered consciously.
I hope you enjoyed this Community Day analysis from me this time. Like I said, I love Typhlosion and I love JRESeawolf’s analysis, so I hope I did it justice. Goodbye for now, Pokémon trainers. Priom-out!
